didnt even see that rule. that is a horrible rule wow.

how can you ban a scammer AND not return the gears? thats not only abusable, its self-conflicting. if the scammer is to be blamed, why punish the innocent person?

rethink that lol.

I think I can agree with teOx on this one. Although I do not agree with account sharing with anyone except close friends if you have things valueable on that account, I do think that banning someone and just removing everything and punishing the people they stole from is terrible. It's almost like you're enforcing a rule to make sure people who are stolen from DONT report, so their gears don't get destroyed perminantly. How is that justice?

So lets say someone steals from me. If I report them all my stuff gets frozen and or deleted, so I try to get it back first and they steal from more people in the meantime. I wouldn't want to report them until they give me my hard earned stuff back.

We need a cross-account trader of sorts.. that NPC would be wonderful.

Cheesecake 93/99 SuperNovice | Hell 7x/4x Hybrid Hunter
Milkshake 7x/4x Knight | Lein 7x/4x Priest | Mystia 8x/5x Monk

Why should we need to police these things at all?  Is it the GMs' fault your bff wasn't so bff after all?  Believe it or not, you do get to choose whom you share your stuff with.  I suggest you choose wisely.

Also, we really really need to get the mail system working.

Cheesecake 93/99 SuperNovice | Hell 7x/4x Hybrid Hunter
Milkshake 7x/4x Knight | Lein 7x/4x Priest | Mystia 8x/5x Monk

We've clarified the rules here but I would like to make it clear that we want to do what's best for the community.

Account sharing is not condoned by the GM team and has never been. Just as guild internal affairs is not "the GM's business".

For stolen items, we do have to make sure that no one abuses the service and be imprudent with their items just because "GM's can get it back", our time is not to be wasted.


/edited for clarity.

This begins to bring up the question of what happens if you lend someone an item, (without them knowing your password), and never get it back, either. <<

I know it says you'll look into it, but how long before this changes, too?

Whether they know the password and take what they want, or ask the owner of the account to lend them the items themselves (because, face it, if they know the password, they are probably trusted enough by the owner to be lent the items), they would still be taken. =\

Inasad | Gypsy Whothe/hellknows | KoL

If an account gets banned for whatever reason that contains items lent out for leveling purposes IMO it is only right for the kind person who lent them to have them returned.

At REQUEST not obligation. Because seriously how often does it happen that someone has good gear lent to them and they are banned? Those rarities can be dealt with accordingly on a case to case basis I would assume..

Cheesecake 93/99 SuperNovice | Hell 7x/4x Hybrid Hunter
Milkshake 7x/4x Knight | Lein 7x/4x Priest | Mystia 8x/5x Monk

Rules here are drowning in excessive legalization.  A case by case basis with a focus on rational, wise decisions would be much preferred to this letter of the law rule system.  The GMs are boxed in by the rules.  Expediency is a great asset when working with such a varied group of people. It also allows for a system centered on punishing those who intend to break the rules and not those who make simple mistakes. Why allow your system to be abused when you don't have to?

I think that this is a pure mis-communication error, as everyone thinks that some major server rule structure changed when it actually didn't change at all.

The "new" rule always existed, but it was a link from the first page to a post within the rule thread as the form in my post there. That post is written in Mar 7 2009 and reads like this:

"A clarification regarding how heRO rules apply for account sharing:

It does NOT matter who is playing the account if it is the "actual owner" or not. If we find an account to be botting, macroing or breaking other heRO rules, we will punish the characters of that account, or the entire account itself, accordingly.

Please be fully aware of this when you are sharing your account information with any other players, including family members. We recommend players not to share your password and account information, but if you choose to do so, be acknowledged that all players with access to the account are equally accountable. GMs are also not responsible for the loss of gears and/or missing gears as a result of account sharing and players trading away gears on shared account. (as long as a player logs on to an account legitimately through a correct password, the trading away of gears on to another account is not considered stealing as long as there are no traces of guessing password according to log in history.)

With this in mind, again be notified that heRO GMs will never ask you of your password. GMs will never ask for your account information in-game."


All that we are doing, is moving this "up a step" from just a clarification, to an actual rule on its own on the first page. Nothing has changed from this stance. However, admittedly we did not do a good job on the rule wording and there's some confusion. We worked on our diction as carefully as we can in tonight's GM meeting, and we ended with the following rules.

So this is what we are really trying to say from the get-go, but failed to express it clearly: